Have you talked to him about his approach? [ the arrow has but maybe talking is the problem here. it's lacking. ] Or considered new contracts when the three-month period is over?
He already resents me having any control over him. He hates being held back and I don't blame him for that. I don't think telling him how to do things would help that.
I thought I was doing a good job at giving him all the freedom he needs but...[ apparently not. ]
I don't know what to do. I don't know anyone that isn't already contracted or a Dominant.
Freedom is an ideal that doesn't exist here. People in the Up have to enter a contract the same as the rest of us. They've made it very clear they're willing to apply pressure to everyone.
[ that, at least, is easy to comment on. he doesn't have relationship advice for betty, none of his have ever panned out. he hates not being in control, probably more than jughead. he's experienced in the long game is all. ]
I don't have one. [ he's not offering. ] I don't know him. I can't tell you what to say. Is it possible he'll come up with an alternative on his own that isn't jail time to cool off?
It's not like I enjoy being in control of someone's whole life. I hate it. [ she thinks jughead could see that it was hard for her too. ] And what happens to if he keeps rebelling? I'll have to face consequences too, don't you think? I know he doesn't want that to happen.
[ jughead might be reckless and stubborn. and he might have hurt her by lying to her but that doesn't mean he wants anything bad to happen to betty. ]
But you probably don't want me as your Dominant.
He left our place the day of his post to do that. To clear his head and figure out what he needs.
None of us came here willingly. We all started out naked on that examination table. [ it bears repeating because of how distressing it is. jughead is right to be furious, to want something to change. they don't have to like it but they have to participate. that's what he's getting at. ] Most of us don't like the divide between submissives and dominants but like it or not, we're trapped here. [ maybe indefinitely, like her story. ] I've heard that submissives face steeper fines than dominants. Whatever backlash comes your way might not be more than a slap on the wrist.
[ he can't promise to protect her, here. ]
Nothing personal. I don't want anyone as "my dominant."
I hope the two of you can figure something out that works for both of you, Betty.
[ he's not telling her anything she doesn't already know. she knows jughead has every right to be frustrated and angry, she never disputed that or made him to feel as though he shouldn't, she was there with him handing out flyers and helping the submissives however she could. she supported his rebellious endeavors and even now when they are both at risk, she does.
but she's also a teenager who is scared of jail, of losing her boyfriend to jail or worse.
he's trying to reassure her but it almost feels like an alice cooper lecture.]
I would say most everyone here doesn't want it either. [ and yet, they have them. ]
[ what he can say over the network and what he's willing to confess in general leaves him between a rock and a hard place with himself. he wants to help but this isn't something he's necessarily equipped to fix. relationships were really more thea and laurel's knack — they knew people without knowing them. ]
I'm working on that. I have until the end of the month. Maybe less with their new restrictions.
[ and honestly, contracting with betty might work in the sense that they could hash out the details in a platonic nature — but two submissives with gray lines on their throats? he wants to increase her safety, not decrease it. ]
Normally, I'd offer to take your mind off of it. Go for ice cream, see a movie, bring the biggest bag of popcorn and throw it at people if you wanted to. [ that's the big brother in him, probably. but he can't leave the down, especially now, and that's not her problem. ] You chose each other for a reason. That means something. More than what this place wants it to be.
I hope you find someone that works for you, Oliver.
[ betty's too numb at the moment to consider taking someone else under her contract. although she has considered it. and would consider it if it meant helping someone who needs it. and she'd even foolishly say the status of his gray tattoo didn't matter to her even though it really should.]
There's a but you forgot to put in there... [ she could hear it and well, he didn't actually offer to big brother her. ]
I love him and he knows me better than anyone ever has.[ and that's what makes this hurt so much. that he didn't seem to know how keeping what he'd been doing with lucy from her would make her feel. ] I just hope that he knows that too. [ knows that what they have surpasses a contract, that he won't let himself resent her for trying to keep him safe and doing what felt like the right thing by pairing up.]
[ that she hopes for anything for him is nice. the time is running out on his decision ( unsurprisingly, he doesn't like ultimatums ). he's not worried. he can endure anything. he can survive legally binding himself to another person like a possession because he has to. ]
But I can't leave my apartment with the current state of my tattoo. [ again, not her problem. ] Love is tricky. Sometimes, people think they're doing the right thing because of how they feel. Maybe he thought he was protecting you. [ oh. projecting now? ] It makes smart people act stupid and sane people crazy.
[ she would sign him if he needed it but right now, it feels like suggesting that would not be welcome.]
I'm so tired of people trying to protect me. I took down a murderer and helped bring him to justice. Then I faced down a serial killer and took him down too. I might look fragile but I'm not. And the last time he tried to 'protect' me, he broke my heart.
I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying for some reason, he thinks it is. [ as someone that's made a slew of questionable decisions for the people near and dear to him, well, he gets it. he doesn't approve of it on anyone else. ] I don't think you're fragile based on what you've told me. Weaker people would have snapped under the weight of the truth.
I'm the last person to tell you to ask him why he thinks you are. Speaking from experience, having control of something is better than being powerless. [ what if he doesn't resent betty; what if he's envious? ]
[ she's trying to hear what oliver says. she knows that jughead means well. none of it was done maliciously or to hurt her but in an attempt to do the opposite. she knows that but he managed to really hurt her and leaving her to face it alone is only making it worse. their life back home was just jumping one drama to the next, any time something went wrong with them, she could distract herself with whatever insane thing was happening to them.
here, she has nothing but time. ]
Maybe I will ask him then. Whenever he decides to talk to me again.
You've already given him space and time. He'll come around.
[ if they love each other and oliver trusts betty's judgement of that fact, he's going to come back when he's ready. the goal here isn't to fill her head with false hope but to provide support in an area he's never excelled at in the past. he's trying. ]
[ she trusts jughead that much with her own heart. but until he comes around, she's going to be wishing he wasn't gone and wondering why it feels like she's the one being punished. ]
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Have you talked to him about his approach? [ the arrow has but maybe talking is the problem here. it's lacking. ] Or considered new contracts when the three-month period is over?
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I thought I was doing a good job at giving him all the freedom he needs but...[ apparently not. ]
I don't know what to do. I don't know anyone that isn't already contracted or a Dominant.
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[ that, at least, is easy to comment on. he doesn't have relationship advice for betty, none of his have ever panned out. he hates not being in control, probably more than jughead. he's experienced in the long game is all. ]
I don't have one. [ he's not offering. ] I don't know him. I can't tell you what to say. Is it possible he'll come up with an alternative on his own that isn't jail time to cool off?
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[ jughead might be reckless and stubborn. and he might have hurt her by lying to her but that doesn't mean he wants anything bad to happen to betty. ]
But you probably don't want me as your Dominant.
He left our place the day of his post to do that. To clear his head and figure out what he needs.
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[ he can't promise to protect her, here. ]
Nothing personal. I don't want anyone as "my dominant."
I hope the two of you can figure something out that works for both of you, Betty.
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but she's also a teenager who is scared of jail, of losing her boyfriend to jail or worse.
he's trying to reassure her but it almost feels like an alice cooper lecture.]
I would say most everyone here doesn't want it either. [ and yet, they have them. ]
It's up to him now.
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I'm working on that. I have until the end of the month. Maybe less with their new restrictions.
[ and honestly, contracting with betty might work in the sense that they could hash out the details in a platonic nature — but two submissives with gray lines on their throats? he wants to increase her safety, not decrease it. ]
Normally, I'd offer to take your mind off of it. Go for ice cream, see a movie, bring the biggest bag of popcorn and throw it at people if you wanted to. [ that's the big brother in him, probably. but he can't leave the down, especially now, and that's not her problem. ] You chose each other for a reason. That means something. More than what this place wants it to be.
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[ betty's too numb at the moment to consider taking someone else under her contract. although she has considered it. and would consider it if it meant helping someone who needs it. and she'd even foolishly say the status of his gray tattoo didn't matter to her even though it really should.]
There's a but you forgot to put in there... [ she could hear it and well, he didn't actually offer to big brother her. ]
I love him and he knows me better than anyone ever has.[ and that's what makes this hurt so much. that he didn't seem to know how keeping what he'd been doing with lucy from her would make her feel. ] I just hope that he knows that too. [ knows that what they have surpasses a contract, that he won't let himself resent her for trying to keep him safe and doing what felt like the right thing by pairing up.]
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Thank you.
[ that she hopes for anything for him is nice. the time is running out on his decision ( unsurprisingly, he doesn't like ultimatums ). he's not worried. he can endure anything. he can survive legally binding himself to another person like a possession because he has to. ]
But I can't leave my apartment with the current state of my tattoo. [ again, not her problem. ] Love is tricky. Sometimes, people think they're doing the right thing because of how they feel. Maybe he thought he was protecting you. [ oh. projecting now? ] It makes smart people act stupid and sane people crazy.
I'm not justifying the behavior.
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I'm so tired of people trying to protect me. I took down a murderer and helped bring him to justice. Then I faced down a serial killer and took him down too. I might look fragile but I'm not. And the last time he tried to 'protect' me, he broke my heart.
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I'm the last person to tell you to ask him why he thinks you are. Speaking from experience, having control of something is better than being powerless. [ what if he doesn't resent betty; what if he's envious? ]
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here, she has nothing but time. ]
Maybe I will ask him then. Whenever he decides to talk to me again.
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[ if they love each other and oliver trusts betty's judgement of that fact, he's going to come back when he's ready. the goal here isn't to fill her head with false hope but to provide support in an area he's never excelled at in the past. he's trying. ]
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[ she trusts jughead that much with her own heart. but until he comes around, she's going to be wishing he wasn't gone and wondering why it feels like she's the one being punished. ]